tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post552078848601368149..comments2012-06-26T23:17:04.859-04:00Comments on Musings and Philosophizings: The Center of Christianity? A Response to Kevin DeYoungAlex Marshallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14438933285577775806noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post-53522430380351504772011-03-26T01:35:42.999-04:002011-03-26T01:35:42.999-04:00Amazing words, very helpful in allowing me to verb...Amazing words, very helpful in allowing me to verbalize a lot of what I too, think this debate has been about. What I love the most is all of the chances Rob has had to defend himself and join the fight, instead he chooses to speak of God's love and continue to urge a hopeful message from the Church as opposed to division. He's not been one to be very public in the past and active in the media, but he has chosen to engage the questions with patience and optimism, I really hope that no matter if you agree with his supposed theology, his example of a person who can address tough questions in a positive fashion and with a spirit of engagement and connectiveness will not be overlooked.Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post-10945558980508838632011-03-16T18:34:54.495-04:002011-03-16T18:34:54.495-04:00Alex,
These are some good thoughts. My response ...Alex, <br /><br />These are some good thoughts. My response will serve as clarification concerning one point of your criticism. I do not think that I can provide a substantial contribution to the other issues or concerns you’ve raised, so, similar to what you said, I’ll leave that task to others. <br /><br />One of the things that I would suggest, echoing in many ways your criticism, is that one look closely into the historical development of the varying paradigms of the atonement. Yes, the Christus Victor or Dramatic Paradigm is the oldest paradigm, but it itself is a revision of the Patristic Ransom theory. The second and last historical clarification I have to offer is that penal substitution, as it exists as a theory today, did not become dominate, nor articulated as such, until the Reformation. The legal (or objective) paradigm that does appear dominate and articulate within the Medieval period is Abelard’s Satisfaction theory. There are some significance differences and similarities between the two (paralleled in the moved from the Ransom model to Christus Victor model) and it would benefit all to look them up.<br /><br />I don’t know how helpful this is for your discussion or review, but it at least demonstrates that there are some elements of reforming going on with certain atonement paradigms. <br /><br />Be Blessed,<br /><br />NickNicholas J. Lutzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17710537331306843964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post-56635713510155504342011-03-16T13:33:41.285-04:002011-03-16T13:33:41.285-04:00Nice review of the review! Thanks for clearing up...Nice review of the review! Thanks for clearing up in my head the things that rubbed me wrong about DeYoung's review.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post-2957331746244325482011-03-16T12:29:08.781-04:002011-03-16T12:29:08.781-04:00That being said, I'm not convinced this one of...That being said, I'm not convinced this one of those non-essential issues, but I could be wrong.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579572108584973334.post-78937344274838523022011-03-16T12:18:53.132-04:002011-03-16T12:18:53.132-04:00I think in a lot of ways the Neocalvinist/certain ...I think in a lot of ways the Neocalvinist/certain stands of evangelicalism has become comparable to the pre-reformation Catholic church making nonessentials essential, and pronouncing anathema on those who disagree.David Tewnoreply@blogger.com